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Stian, either in truth, or de facto because of the way conservatives are treated. A double standard in most Esperanto discussion forums exists where liberals and atheists are allowed to violate Terms of Service agreements, using the most degrading and hateful language against conservatives but, oh, if a conservative dares to retaliate in kind, their posts are deleted and sometimes accounts closed. Recently after defying one of the administrators of Lernu. Because it was me. My first post was to announce a scavenger hunt the prize to which was my collection of Esperanto textbooks, dictionaries, and translated literature that I already had English translations for. Zte axon 7 cheap For the grave sin of all this hateful language I posted, the thread was deleted and my account summarily cancelled. Her little minions joined in the harassment from almost the beginning. I will probably be an Esperanto speaker for the rest of my days. I will continue to attend our local meet-up, as long as it continues, if only in support of the others that come. I wash my hands of it. I guess that will never be known for sure………however, based on some of the more outrageous comments I read back in August, I really think it would have. Unless and until the Esperanto movement reigns in people such as Erin Piateski, et al. She can put THAT in her pipe and smoke it! Unfortunately, here Esperantists as had made this debate their proselytizing target and are bare sword in hand ready to decapitate any idea and silence any voice which is not beating their drums. Here also you will be bully, and belittled, and browbeaten if you are unwilling to carry their flag or at least accept that their word is the gospel and that they are better and know better than everybody else. I wish you well in your quest of unmasking hypocrisy.

And Robb, apparently it is not only here that you like to go bullying, offending and belittling others for not agreeing with you. Well, I still prefer my bad English to your perfect Esperanto and I also prefer my B. But, yes, while they can belittle, etc. Any conservative or Christian conservative readers here who are tempted to explore Esperanto, I will advise you not to waste your time or money. As for the EU, my vote would actually be for Afrikaans. It has simplified its grammar so as to be just as easy for foreigners to learn as Esperanto.

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Yet I have a hard time believing that your religious or political position was the reason for your account being deleted. I have been a Lernu user for two years, as of today, and am a conservative Christian who makes no secret of my beliefs.

My very first post was about translating Chick tracts! Jesus said that the world will hate us as it hated Him. Hostility is to be expected.

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Yet, though the opposition is very loud, there are a significant number of Christian and conservative Esperantists, and also many who are willing to be friends despite our differences. Also, Christa, did thee not see my post about the Esperanto book scavenger hunt? Her lastest tyranny has NOTHING to do with anything other than it was I who wrote the post. That says she is no longer fit to be admin of that group. And even if they do, well, the only thing I can think of to do about it is to be a non-leftist Esperantist, and hope that somehow that will encourage others to do the same. Obviously, what you do with your time, energy, and money is your decision, and I am not in a position to try to change it. That thread apparently was posted and deleted while I was offline.

There was a bit of news this weekend that I found particularly troubling concerning the English language. This is a type of bias that is having a direct effect on all of our lives. Basically they are saying that there is a non-official alliance between English-speaking countries that share intelligence not offered to our European allies.

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This is the type of secondary influence of a language, a type of tribalism that harks back to the darkest eras of mankind: you who speak my language as a mother tongue are more of an ally than others. The Commonwealth of Nations.

Again, it is a political thing, nothing to do with the language. It will be the same regardless of the language they were sharing.

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And again, those are actions thought out and carry out by people, they just happen to speak the language.. They did turn out, just not the way he wanted.

All that is managed, in the great majority of cases, is a fairly adequate control of the external features of the foreign language. This incomplete Control has, however, the immense advantage of putting the native speaker and the foreigner on a footing of approximate mutual understanding, which is sufficient for the purpose desired.

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That includes Esperanto as a second language. The only way to remove this is to learn the language as a native does, from birth or at least from a very early age. For Esperanto as well as English.

Doing that will make Esperanto the native language, as well as it will do it with English, but that will defeat the neutrality of Esperanto, according to what you guys say Esperanto aim is, to wit: Never to become the native language, to always be the second language. Well, apparently, that will not be sufficient.

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It probably was a good idea in the 19 century or in 1931. Now the goal has also changed. If we all speak the same language we will not need a second language.

However, it is recommended to facilitate and improve the knowledge of the ML. You actually want people to believe they will be better at their OWN native language if they learn Esperanto. I imagine that also include English native speakers.

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If that is not demagoguery I do not know what Better Sounding name to call it. Sorry if I appear to be a little slow on the take but are you REALLY! Is that what you are saying?

And yes I read the thingy, at least part of it before I fell sleep. Sorry but demagoguery does that to me. Too much of it from the communist party. And since I am calling it demagoguery you know I understood it, even if you do not say so openly. And yes I believe that at the end people will requiere just one language.

Whichever that language may be. That will take care of the misunderstanding and the inequality. I think you agree with that. You just do not say it because it will show Esperantists true colors.

They want Esperanto to be the ONE LANGUAGE as much as others want other languages to be the one. Of course you can still use your native language occasionally. I still think my way is less deceptive.

I now understand better my own mother tongue. It seems unbelievable, but it is true. You can experience it yourself.

By the way I am glad that it helped you understand better in your mother tongue, although it tells a lot about your own abilities and opinion about languages. But the experience of one person is nor enough to reach the World shattering conclusion that you have pontificated.

It just goes to show that you were really ignorant about your own language. I have said it before and I say it now. Being a native speaker does not make you an expert in any language.

Ignorant and illiterate persons are quite common in all languages. Again, and then you dare to call Americans arrogant.

All this has already been handled extensively elsewhere (and politely). I am glad about your positive experience.

But your fellow Esperantists do no share your good opinion of them. For most of them an English speaking person is a very close relative of the Devil, intent on eradicating each and every person or thing that does not agree with them. Just read the posts. But that goes to tell you do not read, because I have expressed more than once than I am Cuban, and a proud one at that. You do not need to a native English speaking person to favor English as a potential Lingua Franca of the World. You are not a native Esperanto speaker and favor Esperanto. This may be difficult to believe for those who have never used Esperanto intensively, but it is absolutely true. The suddenly unde